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Posted: 05/15/12 07:55pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I am thinking of buying a boat and trailer from South Carolina. However, the seller states that SC does not require a title, or plates, on boat trailers, so he has neither.

It is too late today to contact Pennsylvania DMV, so I thought I might try for some insight from the RV group.

I have never heard of trailer without a title; is this normal in SC?

If this correct, how does one get a title for Pennsylvania?

Any other words of wisdom?

--The boat does have SC numbers on the bow.

END: After a lot of phone calls, I cannot get the trailer titled in Pa without a proper title or SC registration card stating that the trailer is a "Non Titled Trailer". But he can't get that card without a title. I told him, No Title, NO DEAL! Have to look for another boat.

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Try and find the SC DMVon-line and see if you can find their requirements for titling a boat and trailer. If nothing else the boat probably needs to be registered and have a set of numbers and letters on it's bow.

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In SC, a boat has to be registered before it goes on the water - you can tow one that is not registered. There is no title or plate for trailer.

If you wanted to buy a boat in SC, I would have gladly sold you mine

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I would tend to assume that a trailer with out a title is stolen. Even if SC doesn't require a title the trailer should have had one to begin with.
But, I live in VA where everything with wheels requires a title and tags.

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This isn't an uncommon situation- many States don't require title/registration for trailers under a certain size, and others don't even title truckcampers.
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When you bring a trailer into a State that requires titling, that's when the problems start.
In my State, what you'd need would be the "manufacturers certificate of origin" which comes with every commercially produced trailers. I'm betting that the same is true in Pennsylvania. If the seller is the original owner, he/she might still have that.
If so, that and a bill of sale should be enough to get you on the road in Pennsylvania.

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Florida doesn't issue titles for utility trailers. Tennessee accepted my trailer registration from Florida and issued a Tennessee title and plate. No problems, no hassles. It depends on the state's requirements.

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The best bet is contact the Motor Vehicle Department in PA, explain the situation, and they should be able to tell you exactly what you need to do to get the trailer licensed in PA with no title from the former owner.
Here in Montana, I could remove all identification from the trailer, state that it is "Home-Built", and the state will issue a VIN to me, I stamp that on the trailer, have it inspected, and the State will issue a title for a 2012 "HMDE" trailer.
Maybe PA has the same or a similar program for home-built trailers.

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mowermech wrote:

The best bet is contact the Motor Vehicle Department in PA, explain the situation, and they should be able to tell you exactly what you need to do to get the trailer licensed in PA with no title from the former owner.
Here in Montana, I could remove all identification from the trailer, state that it is "Home-Built" , and the state will issue a VIN to me, I stamp that on the trailer, have it inspected, and the State will issue a title for a 2012 "HMDE" trailer.
Maybe PA has the same or a similar program for home-built trailers.

Um...the "chop shop" approach, eh? Bet Montana has about a "zero recovery rate" on stolen trailers...

Note to self:
Double up security/insurance on trailer if headed to Montana!

To the O.P.:

Many States require records of the provenance of the parts used to make a home-built trailer, and will inspect them carefully before issuing a Title. I recommend extreme caution before venturing down that slippery slope.

As others have said: Check your State's rules!

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"Um...the "chop shop" approach, eh? Bet Montana has about a "zero recovery rate" on stolen trailers"

I wouldn't know, I rarely hear anything about stolen trailers of any kind around here. Apparently, there is no money to be made by stealing them.
Actually, my horse trailer is a 2002 HMDE trailer, according to the title and registration. It is quite obviously a commercially built 2-horse trailer, circa 1970.

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Might ask if he has the MSO for the trailer in his paper work, if he does it should not be a problem to get it registered and titled in Pa.


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    Some states don't require titles or registration. DMVs in states that do require them are use to dealing with such situations.
    The one thing you definitely DO NOT want to do is remove all idenfication and try to pass it off as home built. There's no need to commit a felony which is what that is. You would most likely be without a trailer for a while after such a stunt as they try to shift thru it. Or you may be without a trailer permanently. We (the police) seized trailers all the time for such antics and you don't want the legal hassle. Boat trailer thefts are big business.
    Generally what you will need from the seller is a notarized bill of sale which includes the seller's name, address, telephone is helpful, VIN, make, model, year, and color. If the seller still has his original bill of sale from when he bought it that would be good too. You should also contact your state's DMV before bringing it in state to see if they require additional documentation. It's a simple process. You just don't want to get jammed up by doing something really stupid.

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    IT IS STOLEN....PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF SAVING LIVES AND YOUR PROPERTY....SEE THIS..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlP_mCy8i20

    Then See this..

    http://www.dangeroustrailers.org/Stolen_Trailers_Page.html

    Did you know that you can destroy anybody in 15 states with a unregistered trailer...the mob and Tony Saparino Should know...

    One popular scam is to buy a manufactured trailer, insure it, then remove the VIN and report it as stolen. Re-branding it as a homemade trailer with a new license plate can be as simple as filing bogus paperwork with another state.

    Melancon did this recently to prove his point. He applied from Virginia for a Maine trailer license with a fabricated VIN (ST467OL499EN17I99AM). For a $50 fee, he received his license plate in the mail with official documentation. Apparently no one noticed the message hidden in the VIN if you remove the numbers: STOLEN I AM.

     


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